Research - 'I like to go to Queensland...I have no other future plans'
Growing Older: hopes and fears of people from NESB with disability

Services > Systemic Advocacy > 2005 - Growing Older Research - September 2004

The research reported here was carried out by Christine Gichia, a student in the Masters program at University of Technology, Sydney, who completed the research while undertaking a student placement at MDAA.

MDAA thanks Christine for her work on this project and her contribution to our knowledge about the experiences of people from NESB with disability and their families/carers and their hopes and fears for the future.

 MDAA also thanks all the people from NESB with disability and their carers who took part in this project.

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First published September 2004

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MDAA is funded by the NSW Department of Ageing, Disability and Home Care and the Commonwealth Department of Family and Community Services.

Introduction: why we did this project

MDAA undertook this project because many of our family and carer members and consumers are asking what will happen to the family member with disability when the carer, be it a parent or partner or sibling, is no longer able to provide the level of support required. Similarly, MDAA members and consumers with disability also worry about the future and how we will manage when our parents, our partners or our older siblings are not around to provide us with support.

From information provided by the Australian Bureau of Statistics in the 2001 Census and the 1998 Disability, Ageing and Carers study we estimate that 5% (314,335) of the NSW population are people from NESB with disability. As the total number of people with disability in NSW is 1,221,030 this means that 25.7% of people with a disability in NSW are from a NESB. This project therefore has implications for many more people in NSW than MDAA members and consumers.

We know from past work that families/ carers of people from NESB with disability generally only seek help when they reach a crisis point. Families and carers from NESB carry excessive responsibilities and may experience multiple layers of disadvantage - disability, poverty, disruption to the family as a result of migration, diminished support networks and lack of sufficient and culturally appropriate services. In general, carers from NESB have a 'grin and bear it' attitude to an even greater extent than their Anglo-Australian counterparts. Asking for support is seen as failing, not only in one's caring role but also in the family, the community and most importantly the person with disability.

With an ageing population and people with disability living longer the needs of ageing carers are being considered by State and Commonwealth policy makers and service providers at all levels. So far as we can tell there is no specific consideration being given to the needs of people from NESB with disability as our carers grow older. We have not found any reported research or government policy statements about this. MDAA wants to contribute to the discussion of these policy matters from the viewpoint of people from NESB with disability.

The main question we wanted to answer by doing this project was

What are the effects of ageing carers on the lives of people from NESB with disability?

To answer this we asked people with disability and carers from NESB a number of questions. We wanted to know what hopes and dreams people have for the future as well as their concerns and worries. The idea was to paint a picture of what is happening in the lives of people from NESB with disability as we grow older and as our families and carers become less able to provide the level of support we are accustomed to and need.

I. Results from the research and implications for policy makers

The following points can be drawn from the results of this research:

1. People from NESB with disability are almost exclusively dependent on their family members for support

Very few people with disability said they receive support from disability services. The support received includes home care for domestic tasks such as cleaning, and occasional respite care.

2. People from NESB with disability have no future plans

Most people expressed concern about the future, eg, who will pay the bills, manage their money and provide other support when parents or other family members cannot do it, but most people with disability had no plans for how to deal with this.

3. Family members/ carers of people from NESB with disability worry about the future for their family member with disability.

When asked about their hopes and dreams for the future, all family members/ carers expressed fears and concerns rather than positive hopes and dreams. The only real hopes expressed were that the family member with disability would learn to be independent. As the family members/ carers get older their focus is clearly on trying to make provision for the future support for their family member with disability. Some are focused on remaining strong for as long as possible because they do not see any hope beyond their own existence.

II. Methodology: how we did the research

We explored these questions in focus groups and individual interviews, either in person or by telephone, with people from NESB with disability and family members and carers. From past experience MDAA has found this the most effective approach with our members and consumers. For most participants English is not their first language and we used interpreters when required.

The focus groups were held first and the researcher and MDAA advocates who assisted in the focus groups wrote down the participants' responses, as some participants did not consent to the groups being tape recorded. Telephone interviews were used for participants who wanted to take part but were unable to leave their home, and face to face interviews were used for participants who did not want to join the focus groups and preferred to speak direct to the researcher or an individual advocate whom they already knew. We arranged respite for people with disability for family members and carers who asked for it.

We advertised the project in our consumer newsletter and e-newsletter and invited people to attend the focus group meetings and interviews. Those who responded all live in Sydney and varied in cultural background, type of disability, sex and age (see Tables below). We used separate questionnaires for people with disability and for family members/carers (see Appendix 1). A total of 40 people with disability and 32 family members/carers took part.

Table A

Age

Person with disability

Carer

0-9

0

0

10-19

9

0

20-29

14

0

30-39

6

4

40-49

7

6

50-59

3

10

60-69

3

4

70-79

0

1

80+

0

1

M 15 F 25

M 11 F 21

The people who participated came from 10 different cultural backgrounds.

Table B

Culture/ language

Arabic
Bengali
Cantonese/ Mandarin
Kurdish
Italian
Maltese
Persian
Philippine
Samoan
Thai

Some people with disability who participated in this research have very high support needs. Carers were all family members of a person from NESB with disability and live with that person, most often the mother and/or father of the person with disability but some had a spouse with disability and one carer was a grandparent. Most people spoke English, with varying degrees of difficulty, and 13 people needed an interpreter.

III. Results: what we found

1. People with disability

People with disability provided the following information about their current circumstances, their concerns and their hopes for the future:  

Living arrangements

  • most people live with their families, usually their parents;
  • one lives alone;
  • one lives in a group home.

Employment

  • most people with disability do not have a paid job
  • paid employment included working in the family business; telephone operator; supermarket packer; childcare; fast food café; supermarket.

Education

  • most people had attended high school;
  • some had completed the HSC equivalent in their country of origin;
  • some completed Year 10 equivalent here or overseas;
  • some did not finish primary school;
  • some had completed TAFE courses.

Disability

  • autism
  • intellectual disability
  • physical disability
  • cerebral palsy
  • learning disability
  • neurological disability

English language skills

  • 5 people said 'excellent'
  • 15 said 'no difficulties'
  • 5 said 'a little'
  • 8 people needed an interpreter
  • 4 did not understand the question

Decision making

  • most people said they do not make their own decisions about what to do, where to go, how to spend their own money, etc;
  • some people were not familiar with Australian currency;
  • some people accompany their family member/ carer to do the shopping;
  • some people make their own decisions about buying their own things or going out;
  • some people need assistance recognising currency and getting the right change;
  • some people get assistance with budgeting from their family member/ carer;
  • some people would like to go places but do not know where to go;
  • the person who lives alone makes all his own decisions;
  • people who work in paid jobs make more of their own decisions

Independent living skills

  • some people are confident about getting around, using a wheelchair, getting public transport or taxis;
  • some people can travel alone but need assistance with bus numbers and where to get out;
  • some people are not at all confident of using public transport and rely on their family member/ carer to get around;
  • most people rely on their carer for cooking, shopping, cleaning

Support received

  • most people get support from their family members;
  • some have respite care;
  • some receive support from friends;
  • some receive home care to assist with domestic chores;
  • a few people receive assistance with personal care from paid carers: some like and trust their paid carers but others do not;
  • some said 'Centrelink' and the pension;
  • one receives support from a disability employment service.

Difficulties experienced as the person's family member/ carer gets older

- mobility

  • some people lack confidence in using public transport alone;
  • getting assistance in and out of bed is becoming more difficult;
  • increasingly difficult to get up hills;
  • getting more difficult to move around and use transport: organising taxis is OK but need help with trains and buses;
  • one person's family member/ carer is sick and has become unsteady on their feet - this scares the person with disability

- self-care

  • some people do not need any assistance with self-care now (bathing, dressing, eating, lifting, etc);
  • some people need assistance and this is getting more difficult as they and their family member/ carer get older and are not as strong;
  • some people need assistance to get to the bathroom.

- domestic tasks

  • some people are finding it harder to clean the house and cook as their family member/ carer gets older - one person was particularly frustrated about this;
  • one person's family member/ carer is also now helping her mother and cannot do all the housework she used to - this inconveniences the person with disability.

Support required to take better care of yourself

  • most people said they need someone to cook and clean up;
  • some people need assistance with shopping;
  • some people need assistance with transport;
  • some people need a reminder to take medication;
  • some people need assistance with walking;
  • one person needs regular daily massage of their limbs;
  • one person needs education about sex and protective behaviour - people are sexually abusing her by unwanted touching;
  • some people need assistance in understanding the opposite sex;
  • some people need assistance in handling money and budgeting their finances.

Hopes and dreams for the future

  • 'I want training to be independent and find a simple job'
  • 'I want a good job closer to home'
  • 'To get to know the area near me, know the streets and the roads, where the shops are and live closer to my family'
  • 'Improved health'
  • 'Working as a teacher's aide permanently'
  • 'I want to get residence in Australia so I can get the support I need but I've been waiting for 5 years already'
  • 'I hope that I have sufficient support for the future'
  • 'No other future plans'
  • 'Health to be better than now - improve health, learn to go around Granville area, Merrylands and Parramatta'
  • 'My carer will improve her health and be able to get modified housing'
  • 'I like to go to Queensland'

Worries for the future

  • 'No worries'
  • 'How to manage my bills - my mother helps me to budget my money'
  • 'I worry about dying. I'm scared of my sickness. I'm worried about collapsing along the way because I have a heart condition. I have to walk uphill in my street all the time.'
  • 'I worry about money - do not have much hope for the future - do not have money for my funeral - worried what will happen if my carer dies first?'
  • 'I rely on my carer - the only one who can support me'
  • 'I have been waiting for residence for nearly 3 years - I depend totally on my carer - I would like support from outside to help my carer, but not eligible because no permanent residence yet.'
  • 'Who will check that the bills are paid?'
  • 'How will I keep my job permanently?'

2. Family members/ carers

Family members/carers provided the following information about their current circumstances, their concerns and their hopes for the future:

Employment

  • most family members/ carers had no paid employment and stayed home to provide full time support for the family member with disability;
  • some family members/ carers had retired from paid work;
  • some family members/ carers had part-time or casual paid jobs;
  • one family member/ carer is a doctor.

Education

  • some family members/ carers had finished high school;
  • some family members/ carers had completed tertiary study at university or TAFE;
  • some family members/ carers had not completed primary school.

English language skills

  • 5 family members/ carers needed an interpreter;
  • 16 family members/ carers had no difficulties with speaking and understanding English;
  • 11 family members/ carers spoke a little English.

Disability of the person cared for

  • autism
  • intellectual disability
  • physical disability
  • cerebral palsy
  • learning disability
  • neurological disability

Type of support provided by family members/ carers

- personal care

  • almost all family members/ carers provide some personal care for the person with disability (dressing, undressing, bathing, personal hygiene);
  • some provide assistance with feeding;
  • some family members/ carers provide daily massage for the person with disability;
  • one family member/ carer provides minimal personal care.

- domestic tasks

  • all family members/ carers undertake house cleaning, laundry and cooking for the person with disability.

- shopping

  • all family members/ carers do the shopping, some with assistance from the person with disability;
  • some family members/ carers accompany their adult child with disability shopping because they do not understand money or what is appropriate and often choose the most expensive things;
  • most family members/ carers carry the shopping themselves.

- transport

  • some family members/ carers provide assistance with transport, driving the person with disability to appointments, shopping, etc, and assisting the person to transfer from the car to their wheelchair;
  • some family members/ carers rely on public transport: trains, buses and taxis to get around;
  • some family members/ carers accompany the person with disability on public transport because the person does not understand which direction to take or bus number;
  • one family member/ carer accompanies her family member with disability everywhere because he gets angry and loses his temper if people do not understand his needs;
  • some family members/ carers said transport is always difficult to arrange.

-support provided by other people to the person with disability

  • most support is provided by parents (the mother in most instances) or spouse; other immediate family members provide additional support when required;
  • some people also have the support of close friends;
  • some people with disability go to respite care, eg, once a month on weekends;
  • some people receive assistance from Home Care;
  • at least one mother gets no assistance from the father to care for their adult child with disability;
  • family members/ carers provide support at home because there are no services available or they are not aware of them, especially migrants who have recently arrived in Australia;
  • family members/ carers were ambivalent about seeking assistance from paid carers, as many believe the paid carers do not give the person with disability the attention required.

Difficulties experienced as a result of getting older

-mobility

  • some family members/ carers are having increasing difficulty using private transport because of having to lift the person with disability in and out of the car;
  • some family members/ carers have arthritis and can't lift heavy things, eg, shopping;
  • some family members/ carers reported that it is getting more difficult to assist the person who has a disability with walking, eg, getting to the bathroom;
  • family members/ carers reported that it is getting more difficult to go out as they get older.

- self care: for the family members/ carers and the person with disability

  • family members/ carers are experiencing back pain and finding it more difficult to lift the person with disability - transferring from wheelchair to toilet, or in and out of a car, from wheelchair to bed and vice versa;
  • one family member/ carer said that he now has to ask his wife to assist in lifting the person with disability when he used to be able to do this alone;
  • one family member/ carer said she has a very small bathroom and it is becoming more difficult for her to assist her son (who now weighs over 100kg) with bathing, dressing, undressing, etc;
  • one family member/ carer noted 'all done with difficulties';
  • one family member/ carer noted that her family member who has cerebral palsy can only move one hand, so the family member/ carer does everything for her.

- domestic chores

  • most family members/ carers reported that everything is getting more difficult or taking longer, including cleaning, laundry, cooking, shopping, lifting.

- other

  • one family member/ carer said it is getting more difficult to make decisions for his daughter;
  • some family members/ carers manage the person with disability's finances, eg, compensation money;
  • some family members/ carers are experiencing stress because they don't know what will happen to their family member with disability as the carers get older.

Hopes and dreams for the future

a) for yourself

  • 'I hope an institution will take her and care for her - my worries are because she can't talk and express what she needs. I am not sure that anyone who is not related will be able to care for her.'
  • 'I really hope that my (own medical condition) will get under control or there is a chance for me to go in remission so to be there for (my son) as long as possible.'
  • ' I want my son to be trained to live independently and find a simple job.'
  • 'Justice.'
  • 'My hopes are: my wife to improve her movement with my help and others.'
  • 'I wish I am still strong enough have a good job my husband for earning for our living and most I wish my husband will be cured and have a very good health and have our own modified house and modified car as well. To be able to socialise again.'
  • 'I hope that I'll be strong and able to do the chores for him all through. And I wish that my pension should increase being a carer so I could meet the expenses in bringing him out to socialise.'
  • 'Live long enough to see my son care for himself.'
  • 'I want to learn new skills about caring, relaxation and manual handling.'
  • 'I want respite from my (family member).'
  • 'I would like to meet other carers to discuss ways to help ourselves.'
  • 'Find out about what service are available now and the criteria they require, eg, at the MDAA Carers' Expo.'
  • 'To be appreciated and recognised for the work I am doing as a carer.'
  • 'To get residence in Australia to be able to get services.'
  • 'I want service providers to listen to carers, not just consult the person with disability, because we are involved and we know what is happening. Service providers recommend things the carer is unable to do. Carers are ignored and never consulted even though we know what is best for the family member with disability in some cases.'

b) for the person with disability you are supporting:

  • 'For him to become more quiet as he tantrums so that it will be easier for the other people and myself to communicate with him. I also hope that for him to be able to have a good quality in life there should be a lot more support form the governments in order to make it easier for the ageing carer and the disabled as we both get older and especially when the carer is no longer there…what happens to the disabled then?'.
  • 'Compensation from medical insurer and church.'
  • 'To help herself constantly as I help her so much she will improve with her walking and movement.'
  • 'I worry because where I am going to get the money for his funeral expenses in case he die before me?'
  • 'I have no idea where she will go when we die - parents are busy. When I talk to her parents they refuse to do anything and leave it to us'.
  • 'I am hoping that our Lord will make him sensible and independent so he could be able to live properly by himself especially when I am no longer around. And I hope I could find a place for him to socialise with people who could speak properly because when he mingles with people who are worse than he is he only copies them and acts badly.'
  • 'To see him care for himself.'
  • 'Get to know other people with disablity.'
  • 'Participate in social events.'
  • 'Learn new skills to help him live independently.' 

Worries and concerns for the future

  • 'What happens when I the carer am no longer available?'
  • 'Reduced income after I retire - who will provide continuing care after my demise?'
  • 'Who will take over as her parents are not keen? No-one can provide her good care - she cannot express herself.'
  • 'Lifting the wheelchair taking inside the train, pushing around the shopping complex, pushing wheelchair in any road crossing.'
  • 'I am afraid I will not be strong enough to take care of him in the future. I worry for him when I'll not be around any more that he'll not be taken care of the way I used to because all me children are working besides they have their own families.'
  • 'No worries for myself but for my son: where will he end up after I'm not here to help him any more?'
  • 'I am 65 + years, very small lady but I always doing very hard job. Rehabilitation treatment and services; carer respite; always need to be careful to keep copies of everything - medical records; don't always get a chance to supply information, history, what is happening, so medical people understand the disability thoroughly.'

Appendix 1

QUESTIONS FOR PEOPLE WITH DISABILITY

1. Sex: M F

2. Age: 0-9
10-19
20-29
30-39
40-49
50-59
60+

3. a) What is your job?  b) How far did you go at school?

4. What is your disability? 

5. What languages do you speak at home?

6. How well do you speak English? Do you need an interpreter?

Excellent.
No difficulties.
A little. 

7. Do you live with your family, by yourself, or somewhere else (specify)?

8. Do you make your own decisions about what to do, where you go, spending your own money, ect?

9. Where do you get support?

Family member(s).
Paid support worker.
Friend(s).
Others (specify).

10. What are some of the difficulties you are going through, as your carer gets older? Are the following things hard to do, or getting harder?

Mobility (transport, getting around, moving around the house, going out).
Self-care (bathing, dressing, lifting, eating).
Domestic chores (cleaning the house, cooking, shopping, laundry).
Others (specify)

11. a) What skills do you have now to enable you to do some things for yourself, like,

Making decisions (do you make decisions for yourself or does someone else do that).
Self-care (bathing, feeding, toileting, personal hygiene).
Cooking (preparing food, cooking it).
Shopping.
Using public transport (trains, buses, cars, either personal or taxis).
Other (specify).

b) What support do you need to help you to take care of your self better, e.g. Cooking.
Cleaner.
Shopping.
Transport.
Other (specify). 

12. What are your hopes and dreams for the future?

13. Is there anything you worry about for the future?

QUESTIONS FOR CARERS

1. Sex: M F

2. Age: 10-19
20-29
30-39
40-49
50-59
60+

4. a) What is your job?  b) How far did you go at school?

5. Do you live with a person with disability you are caring for, eg, in the family home or in some other arrangement?

6. What type of disability does the person you are caring for have?

7. What type of care do you provide?

Personal care (bathing, toileting, shaving, brushing teeth).
Domestic chores (house cleaning, laundry, cooking).
Shopping.
Transport (public and/or private).
Other (specify). 

7. Does the person with disability that you care for receive support form other people, like family members, friends, paid support worker?

8. What language/s do you speak at home?

9. How well do you speak English?

A little
No difficulties
Excellent
Do you need an interpreter?

10. What are some of the difficulties you are going through as you get older, in providing care for the person with disability?

Mobility (yours and the person with disability, such as transport, getting around, moving around the house, going out).
Self-care (yours and the person with disability).
Domestic chores (yours and the person with disability, such as cooking, cleaning, shopping, laundry).
Others (specify)

11. What are your hopes and dreams for the future:-

a) For yourself.
b) For the person with disability you are caring for.

12. Is there anything you worry about for the future

a) For yourself.
b) For the person with disability you are caring for.
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